Boundary pusher and Broad City badass Ilana Glazer sits down with Tidal’s design director—and show collaborator—Mike Perry for an intimate chat that takes them from a Brooklyn patio to the Redwoods to outer space and beyond.

Routine is a very challenging thing to have when you live in a chaotic environment. When you envision this kind of post–Broad City existence, does it revolve around finding that rhythm, that life rhythm?

Yes, like, the main thing it revolves around is health and wellness: food, exercise, family. And then from there, you know, producing, making calls, going and acting on a thing for a day, writing, sending that off, directing something. The fact that Abbi and I line all of our ducks in a row for this one project is what makes Broad City so rich in quality. But I do want to disperse it a little bit more. I’ve been doing this for 10 years, and I want to focus that quality on my quality of life. I look forward to dispersing my energy in that way.

It feels like there is a bit of freedom that comes from Broad City that allows you to be able to think further into the future.

Sometimes I think artists have to. I think Abbi and I did this when we were writing the web series. You have to cultivate that freedom for yourself sometimes before you actually have it, and then it becomes real. I’m so grateful that it’s really here and no longer being cultivated. But yeah, it’s such a delicious freedom I don’t take for granted. Very few people in this world have complete and total agency and can really create. There’s this unbelievable sense of agency that my parents did not have, and I see people their age who did have that, but it was even fewer then. And then there is this just-plug-into-the-system sense of no agency that I wouldn’t say is better or worse, it is just different.

Definitely. It must feel very empowering to have a platform to share the ideas you are exploring within yourself.

I want to continually push the limits in a safe way. It’s my truth. I communicate my truth. I do feel as a woman I recognize the danger of pushing the limits of one’s truth when that one is a woman. I really mean it when I say I want to pace it out so it is safe for me.

So that contradicts that feeling of privilege you were describing. Like, it puts a check on it.

Well, I am a woman, after all. There’s been something about turning 30 and getting married that has allowed me to grasp the gravity of the slavery of women. Legit. I think having this safety net of being connected to a man by law has let me be vulnerable to the truth that women are vertically oppressed, from the poorest fucking woman to the richest woman to the First Lady. I can’t fully call it respect, but there’s something I feel for Melania Trump that is admiration, in that she will stand there and look as miserable and trapped and as enslaved as she truly is.

I was raised by my mother, which is amazing. I did not grow up with a lot of those kinds of negative stereotypes. It was all female love and empowerment. And I feel like I benefited from that as a human.

As Hillary Clinton says, women get stuff done. They really get stuff done and they’re not allowed to complain. Women are just incredible, and the men who honor women are consistently the sexiest, the most delicious, powerful men to me. My brother and I were raised gender-neutral; my mom was so grossed out by the way girls were paraded in a certain way in my hyper-suburban town on Long Island.

My brother is gay, and we were kind of the same gender growing up. I was such a little lady fag as a kid, you know what I mean? It’s kind of like a gender sexuality that a lot of women who find themselves around a lot of gay men identify as, and I relate to it but I don’t call myself anything. I identify as queer for many reasons; yes, like physical, sexual reasons, but also like... I just think the rejection of binary code, the rejection of rape culture is queer. My parents did such an incredible [job]. I’m so grateful [to them] for making me feel like my opinions were worthwhile. ❤